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Help!

On the wikipedia sister site Wikiquote I was working on an article when I was autoblocked. They said that I had been sockpuppeting. I admit that I did in the past but I was innocent this time how can I tell them this if I am blocked from editing? TheyCallMeFirstKlass 16:56, 4 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deezy.D. (talk • contribs)

I see you've already received a reply at User talk:Ningauble. Anomie⚔ 17:37, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Fbot wrongly tagging sound files as orphaned, leading to...

I know this isn't your business but perhaps you can help. I have posted a report about Fbot mis-tagging sound files as orphaned User talk:Fbot#Incorrect tagging of used sound files as orphaned.. I hope it is only sound files. Fastily just deleted as "rude" my previous report on his talk page[1] (I was assertive, obviously I must have been over-assertive!) so a slightly independent eye would be useful. I see you have dealings in this general area. Fbot is so overwhelmongly active that I can't start to review what it actually does. Thincat (talk) 19:12, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

That certainly does not seem to be an appropriate response to your posts. I've posted at User talk:Fbot and User talk:Fastily. Anomie⚔ 02:46, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much. That was helpful. I have commented further at User talk:Fbot#Incorrect tagging of used sound files as orphaned. I have just seen an edit Fastily made right after deleting my "rude" message[2] which makes me wonder if he suspects I am a sockpuppet (the file's uploader had earlier been blocked as a sockpuppet). That might explain Fastily's abrupt reaction. Thincat (talk) 10:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Preview refs proposal

Hi Anomie, I'm asking you to comment on a draft proposal in my userspace, basically the same message I left Fred Gandt. Your input is welcomed, especially since I'm not exactly a MediaWiki expert. Thanks! Franamax (talk) 22:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Posted at the talk page there. Anomie⚔ 01:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Urgent: See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/ MediaWiki:Aboutsite/ko

It is being suggested that what I think are variable pages should be deleted. Input from pro needed. fredgandt 22:57, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Apparently the page in question is not vital. fredgandt 01:19, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Looks like it has been figured out. Basically, for any MediaWiki messages that can be localized the message for the default language (here "en") is located at "MediaWiki:name", and the translations for all other languages are at "MediaWiki:name/code". Here on enwiki, the messages for languages other than the default (even en-gb) are usually not customized. If you want to see which messages are modified for a particular language, you can go to Special:AllMessages and choose "Modified" and the target language in the form at the top. Anomie⚔ 01:22, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
The list of messages I find customized for other languages is here. Anomie⚔ 01:31, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Wow. That's a lot of messages. It's one seriously huge place this, huh? Quite an extraordinary site. Thanks for the pointer. I might actually know what the hell is going on in a few years! fredgandt 01:38, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

SoxBot

For the record, the problem as it existed yesterday was that SoxBot and Yobot had actually commenced a full-fledged edit war; my original workaround had always been to use {{improve categories}} instead of {{uncategorized}} on articles that had hidden maintenance categories, so that SoxBot wouldn't detag them. But Yobot was starting to convert that tag to {{uncategorized}} on articles that had no real content categories, with the result that SoxBot then came along and detagged the articles — which then pushed them right back onto the uncategorized articles list again, with the inevitable consequence that if I had used the usual workaround again, I would simply have been setting off an endless tag-revise-detag loop.

I had actually asked X! to disable or reprogram SoxBot's detagging function on more than one prior occasion without response. I see that he did finally disable the function yesterday, as I requested, so thankfully I won't need to use the {{nobots}} tag again — but the reason I couldn't just wait is that I'd already been "just waiting" for months, and the prospect of a circular bot war required an immediate solution rather than waiting for more months. Bearcat (talk) 18:14, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

There was little chance of a bot war, unless Yobot was adding {{uncategorized}} as well as changing {{improve categories}} to {{uncategorized}}. And even then, you could have checked SoxBot's userpage and found out how to stop the task yourself (I was on my way to do just that when I found it had already been done). Anomie⚔ 18:46, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bot_requests#TfD_Closer

Since you run a bot that closes FfD/PUFs when an admin deletes the page, would you consider running a bot that performs the same function at TfD? -FASTILY (TALK) 05:17, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes. In fact, I included the possibility of doing that in AnomieBOT 59, so all that's needed is consensus at WT:TFD and a bit of coding on my part. Anomie⚔ 06:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Could you take a look at WP:VP(idea lab)

Hiya. An idea to develop and install a system to have some well sourced data automatically updated by script is being discussed. The perspective of a bot builder would be greatly appreciated if you can spare the time. fredgandt 00:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Replied there. Anomie⚔ 01:03, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you :-) fredgandt 02:01, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Choco chip cookie.png I award you this cookie for your correction of some fairly substantial errors in the changes i submitted for the Useronline template. Thanks :) CJ Drop me a line! • Contribs 19:13, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Yum! Anomie⚔ 21:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

question

hi, anomie!i need to know how to join the bot approvals group. thanks, --ethen bowen 04:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ethen12 (talk • contribs)

First, spend some time as a normal editor, gaining experience, trust of the community, and familiarity with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Then provide useful comments on BRFAs and successfully run several bot tasks.
I'm really beginning to wonder if you're actually here to improve the encyclopedia, or if you are just treating Wikipedia as some sort of role-playing game and trying to collect "achievements". If you really want to improve the encyclopedia, start doing so already. Stop wasting everyone's time with the attempted hat collecting. Anomie⚔ 15:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

trash artist, Marina DeBris

Hi

Your bot added a note about notability to Marina DeBris. After that, I added a bunch more independent references, and some references to where her artwork is displayed. Could you review and let me know what else I can do? Also, please note that DeBris is a non traditional artist, and so her work is displayed in non traditional settings, so I used non traditional citations. Thanks Socialresearch (talk) 23:12, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

AnomieBOT did not add any note to the article. If you look carefully at the article history, you'll see the tags were added by Orangemike (talk · contribs) in the previous edit. All AnomieBOT did was add the current date to the tags he added. Anomie⚔ 02:25, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Template:Strongbad

Please unprotect that. I'm not done developing it (for one thing, it needs a ns:0 test in it, just like {{xt}}, because its uses are far, far broader than it's incidental appearance in {{collapsetop}}, and people will be tempted to use it, like the xt template family in mainspace because of it's ease-of-[inappropriate] use). Just because it's used in some cases of the deployment of a widely used protected template doesn't automatically mean it needs full protection itself. Absent any cases of vandalism, it's best to leave obscure templates like this as-is. I at least need it unprotected for a little while so I can fix it. No criticism of you personally, but I really wish that admins would check with templates' principal authors to make sure they're done with them before protecting them. I realize that's not your fault, per se, it's just the paranoid micro-culture of WP:HRT. PS: Yes, I realize I can go make a case for an {{editprotected}} and wait all week for someone to respond to it and maybe decline because they don't understand the edit or don't like my sandboxing or whatever. It's a massive waste of my time. If you're only willing to unprot it for a little while, let me know, and we can schedule a time window in which I'll do the needed work. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 21:40, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Just trying to avoid a repeat of Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 96#Bizarre/frightening line inserted into an article I edited or Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive736#Need help with revert, to take two examples from just the past month. Some vandals know to specifically look for unprotected subtemplates to vandalize things that most editors can't easily figure out to revert. Anyway, I've lowered it to semi for now so you can finish working on it; if you let me know when you're done, I'll reprotect it then. Anomie⚔ 22:59, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I will. I guess it's a matter of a "wikiphilosophical" difference. I'm not terribly perturbed by sneaky vandals doing things like this. The system doesn't collapse or anything. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 23:02, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm actually done with it already, but now need to make some adjustments to its parent, {{Strong}}, which was locked down for the same reason. Changes: the lang parameter needs to change to title, if it would be easier for you to just do that than unprot and reprot. The change is needed because a consensus elsewhere says supporting HTML lang= is a bad idea - the valid syntax of the input is too brittle - and people should use the wikicode language templates instead, which handle the geeky brittle stuff for us, and this is true. Meanwhile title= is actually useful (makes mouseover tooltips) and I just forgot to include it. The two use the same syntax in the code, so it's just a matter of swapping one word for the other, twice. I'll update the documentation in the interim. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 23:17, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I forgot it's different because of the xml-lang= stuff. I'm making same change to {{em}} right now; the code will be portable in a minute or two. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 23:20, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
I didn't forget to add title after all. All that needs to be done at {{strong}} is deletion of {{#if:{{{lang|}}}|lang="{{{lang}}}" xml:lang="{{{lang}}}"}} I can file an editprotected about that if you're busy, though no one will fix it for half a week. :-/ — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 23:23, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Done Anomie⚔ 23:48, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Sankyu beddy mush! <bow> — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 23:49, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear Anomie,


My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.


So a few things about the interviews:

  • Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
  • Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
  • All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
  • All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
  • The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.


Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:09, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Multiple issues template usage suggestion

I have started a discussion about making the Multiple issues template the new cleanup template here. Since you have edited this template several times in the past I thought you might have some insight into this idea. --Kumioko (talk) 20:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Name Change

Excuse me, I figured that you'd be the person to talk to regarding name-usurpations because your bot actually helped me out with my current request. The original person I wanted to usurp, User:Konstantino, has been inactive since 2010, but User:Konstantinos has been inactive since I believe 2008. Perhaps it might be best if I ask the latter person to take their name? Kostantino888Z (talk) 02:57, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't know much about the decisions behind usurpation when it's not straightforward; the bot just lists the facts for the 'crats to decide. But as far as I understand the process, you may have trouble getting Konstantinos either since the currently-active frwiki user with 33065 edits has a better claim to the name. Anomie⚔ 03:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Vitruvian Barnstar Hires.png The Technical Barnstar
Thanks for creating the "my sandbox" gadget! :) ♫GoP♫TCN 13:39, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! And you're welcome! Anomie⚔ 17:03, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Upcoming MediaWiki & Wikimedia developers' events

Anomie, I thought you might want to know about some upcoming MediaWiki & Wikimedia developers' events (such as the Berlin hackathon in June), where you can learn more about MediaWiki customization and development, extending functionality with JavaScript, the future of ResourceLoader and Gadgets, the new Lua templating system, how to best use the web API for bots, and various upcoming features and changes. We'd love to have power users, bot maintainers and writers, and template makers at these events so we can all learn from each other and chat about what needs doing. Best wishes! Sumanah (talk) 13:28, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I was told you might be to one to ask about his bot request...

Izno said you might have the bot needed to fulfill the requested task -- if you would be so kind as to take a look at the request thread... :) Salvidrim! 16:32, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Replied there. Anomie⚔ 17:02, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm not all that good with timezones, but I'll leave this here since you asked for a reminder. :) Salvidrim! 06:47, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I usually specify times in UTC and avoid terms like "morning", "afternoon", or "evening" in discussions because that's the only way to avoid confusion when dealing with editors around the world. Anyway, I had some real-lift stuff come up earlier, but Pictogram voting wait.svg Doing... now. Anomie⚔ 19:46, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Bot prematurely archiving Editor Review requests

Hello Anomie, I noticed that AnomieBOT closed 15 editor reviews on February 8. Many of which were still marked with an * in the title, indicating they hadn't received a review yet. I thought the bot only archived editor reviews that had received reviews. It appears the bot started archiving any requests older than 30 days and no comments for more than 7. There is a backlog at this process, so it is possible for a request to go 30 days without getting a review. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 22:24, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it looked for Category:Wikipedians on Editor review/Backlog as an indicator that the review had not been reviewed yet; no one told me that that category was renamed to Category:Wikipedians on editor review/Backlog. Fixed now, and I watchlisted {{Not yet reviewed}} so I'll hopefully notice other breaking changes in the future. Anomie⚔ 19:56, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

User script

Hi there, is there any chance of you adapting your file-REVDELing .js for log redaction? Thanks very much, It Is Me Here t / c 00:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it looks like it is possible. Looking at it now. Anomie⚔ 20:23, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
YesY Done It works on at least Special:Log and on log excepts such as the ones shows when editing a protected or deleted page or viewing the contribs of a blocked user. I also moved the script to User:Anomie/revdel-checkboxes.js, to better match its new function. Anomie⚔ 21:32, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Face-grin.svg Thank you! It Is Me Here t / c 00:20, 19 February 2012 (UTC)#
OK, this has got to be a very obscure bug. Now that I've had a chance to test this new feature, I would like to point out that the logging of its actions is not quite correct. Whereas the old one-at-a-time Log RevDeling method indicated the name of the log correctly (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ARevisionDelete&type=logging&target=Special%3ALog%2Fdelete&ids[40295520]=1&ids[40295505]=1&ids[40295500]=1, where I've grouped some RevDel log entries together to make it easier to see the sort of thing I'm talking about), the new mass-RevDeling is recorded as only being applied to "All public logs" (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ARevisionDelete&type=logging&target=Special%3ALog%2Fdelete&ids[41136380]=1), even though in that case both RevDels were to the same log (the user rename log). It Is Me Here t / c 01:47, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Also, these new, super-duper diffs are not actually displaying correctly (hence my need to go back and <nowiki> them). And if you paste them into a browser where you're not logged in, ReturnTo (as in, title=Special:UserLogin&action=submitlogin&type=login&returnto=) does not work properly (you get an error message), meaning you have to be logged in first and then paste the URL. Something for Bugzilla, perhaps? It Is Me Here t / c 02:01, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Taking the last issue first, it does seem to be a bug that the return url skips array-valued parameters. Please do report it to Bugzilla. Reproducing it is simple: just go to something like [3] (which is generated from the existing checkboxes on the history page, so nothing to do with my script) when not logged in and note that the "returntoquery" parameter in the login link does not contain the "ids" from the URL.
For the next-to-last issue, the problem is that "[" and "]" are not valid URL characters. Replace them with %5B and %5D instead: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ARevisionDelete&type=logging&target=Special%3ALog%2Fdelete&ids%5B41136380%5D=1.
As for the first issue, I'll look into working around the issue for when all the entries checked are from the same log. If you pick entries from two different logs, though, it will have to do the "All public logs" thing. Anomie⚔ 17:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
That should do it for the workaround. Bypass your cache and let me know how it works. Anomie⚔ 21:59, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Looks good It Is Me Here t / c 22:28, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup and Copyedit

Hello Anomie. Please would you reconsider the change requested at Template talk:Copy edit#Compatibility tweak? Since the deletion proposal for {{Cleanup}}, we have noticed the beginning of a tendency for people to change that tag to {{copy edit}} in circumstances where copy editing is not what is required; in other words, GOCE is at risk of becoming a dumping ground. Copy editing is quite intensive, and we're pretty short of active copy editors as it is, so this is a trend we need not to facilitate. Thanks for considering it. --Stfg (talk) 19:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Replied at Template talk:Copy edit#Compatibility tweak. Anomie⚔ 20:01, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

trouble with Misza13's bots

...they appear to have stopped working. It was suggested in this thread that you might be able to assist. If you have the time, your help would be welcome.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 02:17, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Posted about it at WP:BON#Misza13's bots seem to be down. Anomie⚔ 19:12, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

good food

Brownie transparent.png yum Ashley young 1 (talk) 17:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Ajax Preview updates

Your Ajax Preview script is amazing. However, there are a few things that I wanted to change in order to polish it further. They are all merely aesthetic changes, but I think they improve upon the script. My version is here. Feel free to check out the changes with this diff, although it's probably easier to notice the changes by just running my version for a moment. A few things you won't notice are access key changes; I moved the "p" access key to the one for "Instant preview". I also changed the "Loading" text, so it's best you test this on a longer article so that it appears longer so you can see it. I also removed instant refs when previewing an entire article since the refs are already there. Feel free to do whatever you want with these changes, cheers. Gary King (talk · scripts) 03:14, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Revert

Hi. I saw you reverted my change. Why are the "fullurl" versions being preferred over actual links? Also, it's a bit odd that Special:Contribs/newbies works while &contribs=newbies doesn't, don't you think? Likewise &contribs=newbie works while Special:Contribs/newbie doesn't. Killiondude (talk) 06:56, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Because of bug 34659http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34659: the "actual link" version is going to be going away in 1.20 (it was going to stop working in 1.19, but then they decided to give it a slightly longer deprecation path). As for one using "newbies" and one using "newbie", yes, that is unfortunate but it's the situation we're given. Anomie⚔ 11:53, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Link Classifier...

...appears to be broken with the latest MediaWiki update. =/ - The Bushranger One ping only 00:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I noticed. Almost all my scripts broke for using "mw.util" instead of "mediawiki.util". Should be fixed now. Anomie⚔ 03:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 03:51, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Hehe, mine too. :)
Anyway, you noticed User:AnomieBOT/shutoff/AccidentalLangLinkFixer? Amalthea 16:28, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Dated maintenance templates

Quoted from User talk:Philip Baird Shearer:
“ When you create a new dated maintenance template or add maintenance dating to an existing template, as you did recently to {{Rayment}} and {{Rayment-hc}}, it would be very helpful if you would also add the template to Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Dated templates so AnomieBOT knows what to do with all the articles suddenly dumped into the dated maintenance category. Otherwise, AnomieBOT ends up sending me an email with thousands of lines complaining that it can't find any template to date in each one of those articles and asking me to manually fix things.

Of course, don't do this if there is need for someone to go through and do something more intelligent than "add |date={{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}} to all existing instances", but in that case it would be even better to have someone do that before activating the dating feature. Anomie⚔ 18:12, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

 ”


Personally I would not have bothered to add a date parameter to the {{Rayment}} template. It was added by Rich Farmbrough -- presumably because something somewhere complains if {{Self-published inline}} {{Better source}} do not have dates. I am happy to add them to Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Dated templates now that I know that the lack of them disturbs you. -- PBS (talk) 19:49, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Anomie⚔ 03:21, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Category:Documentation subpages without corresponding pages

Category:Documentation subpages without corresponding pages, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 01:51, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to Berlin hackathon, and possible sponsorship

Anomie, would you be interested in coming to the Berlin Wikimedia hackathon, June 1-3 2012? I can offer some travel subsidy. Please reply on my talk page on mediawiki.org if you're interested, or email me at sumanah@wikimedia.org. Thanks! Best, Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation Volunteer Development Coordinator 01:48, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Replied by email. Anomie⚔ 20:58, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

revdel

24 Sept 2010. Please see if you can restore that while looking at the page history. I don't see an option to there. - jc37 19:34, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

First step is to either (a) check the checkbox next to the revision and then click the "Del/undel selected revisions" button at the top or bottom of the history list, across from the "Compare selected revisions" button, or (b) click the linked date of the revision, and then find the "(del/undel)" link just under the title and click that, or (c) click one of the diff links on the revision and find the "(del/undel)" link in the diff column header, or (d) if you're on a log page instead of the history page, click the "more..." link on the log line for the RevDel action. Whichever method, you'll end up at a page much like this one (the URL will differ depending on the method, but the page itself is the same); at the bottom you can uncheck the three checkboxes, fill in a reason, and click "Apply to selected revision(s)". I'll leave the actual clicking of the "Apply" button to you. Anomie⚔ 20:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Knew about the log page (found it right after posting earlier), but wasn't aware that you couldn't do this directly from the page history (without checking the box and then hitting the button). Thanks for the update : ) - jc37 00:45, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Incidentally, the reason I did that, was that I thought it would "stay behind" when I moved the rest of the history (and then I could just restore it at the redirect location). Apparently that isn't the case. - jc37 00:48, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, the whole point of RevDel is that it leaves the revision in place so everyone can see something was removed, which also takes care of the old problem with selective deletion where the person who made the edit after the deleted edits would look like they had made every change done in those deleted edits. OTOH, leaving the revisions in place prevents the trick which allows for fixing copy-and-paste moves, and can leave a cluttered history if a lot of revisions need to be deleted due to copyvio or the like. Anomie⚔ 00:54, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

AnomieBOT doesn't have to do anything anymore...

...Since apparently the delay of User:Helpful Pixie Bot has again been decreased to 18 minutes, to sneak in before AnomieBOT can do anything. The only thing left for you is apparently to clean up after Helpful Pixie Bot makes a mistake[4].

If you two agree on this, then fine by me, otherwise perhaps you two can have a discussion about this and decide how to handle this, as it seems rather petty now. I personally prefer AnomieBOT, since it seems to make less mistakes (notice e.g. this one from an hour ago from Helpful Pixie Bot), and doesn't make (AFAICT) unapproved and unwanted replacements like changing "references/" to "reflist"like here. Fram (talk) 10:29, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

HPB has been at a delay of 18 minutes for most of February, actually, and probably before too. I do see that HPB has been getting most of the datings over the past several hours, no idea why though. Maybe AnomieBOT's Internet connection is being slow, or maybe Rich figured out some way to make his bot slightly faster, or maybe it's just because Category:Articles with invalid date parameter in template is relatively full thanks to a new bot changing {{Unreferenced}} to {{BLP unsourced}} and AnomieBOT is tripping over that.
Personally, I also prefer tag dating to happen without bypassing all the template redirects, capitalizing the templates, and the other errors and "general fixes" HPB does. But I don't care enough to bother trying to convince Rich about it, since AFAICT he very much does prefer those "extra" changes. As long as I can still see enough errors to update Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Dated templates, it doesn't matter that much to me. Anomie⚔ 14:46, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Fram (talk) 15:03, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
BTW, please do let me know if you see AnomieBOT make any preventable errors. Anomie⚔ 15:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

The crat dilemma

Unfortunately, you took so much time to accept adminship, that it frustrates me now to realize that you've just spent six months handling admin duties. You are what I would call an automatic bureaucrat. Will (frustratingly) await the start of October this year to force you to stand for cratship. Wifione Message 06:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, if you're going to force me Face-wink.svg. I like what MBisanz said at WT:RFA#Suggestion for new crats about how 'crat jobs are boring and good 'crats should also be boring. I'm probably boring enough personally; I'll have to consider whether I'd have something to contribute to any of the boring 'crat jobs. If any of my talk page stalkers have any thoughts, feel free to chime in. Anomie⚔ 17:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
I'd say October couldn't come sooner; you'd be a great candidate! Jared Preston (talk) 22:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Template help

Hi Anomie, I've just seen that you're around and I was wondering if I could ask you for help on some template syntax (seeing as you seem to know what you're doing). I've been trying some stuff all morning and I'm hopelessly confused. If you don't mind, I'll try formulating the question either here or on the template talk page, whichever you prefer. Jared Preston (talk) 11:26, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Best to ask at the template talk page, in case anyone else wants to join the discussion. Anomie⚔ 12:26, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
OK, see Template talk:TransferMarkt. I've done my best in asking, it's just a bit harder without sitting side-by-side next to the expert and explaining to them what you mean, haha! Cheers. Jared Preston (talk) 12:41, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Gadget-mySandbox.js

Have you seen Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#"My sandbox" link is broken, and the help link isn't helpful.? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:19, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes. The problem appears to have been diagnosed as an issue with the deprecated secure.wikimedia.org secure server. Anomie⚔ 22:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't know gadget programming but I would have guessed there is a way to write the link so it also works at secure.wikimedia.org. The url for the English Wikipedia is https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en. MediaWiki:Gadget-mySandbox.js currently says /w/index.php?title=Special:MyPage/sandbox&action=edit&preload=Template:User_sandbox/preload&editintro=Template:User_sandbox. It would work if these two strings could simply be concatenated: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Special:MyPage/sandbox&action=edit&preload=Template:User_sandbox/preload&editintro=Template:User_sandbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Sure, it could be made to work. Not sure it's really worth the effort, though, since secure.wikimedia.org is deprecated and it works fine on https://en.wikipedia.org. Anomie⚔ 02:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Users on secure.wikimedia.org do not see any message that it's deprecated and many still have it bookmarked. I was hoping you knew an easy fix for gadgets. I can do it in wikicode: [5] and [6] both work at any of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anomie, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anomie, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User_talk:Anomie. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Page tabs template

Hi

I think you fixed the extraneous coding in the Lionel post here - Template talk:Page tabs#20 tabs.

I have proposed that it be extended to 12 tabs, rather than 20, but wondered if there would be a need for any other coding rather than just deleting the lines 13-20?

If you could advise I would be more than grateful :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 20:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

You should also address the issues raised in the talk page discussion. Anomie⚔ 21:11, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
By "issues raised" I take it you mean the |* issue? (which I think they were using to space between the tabs on their example)
I have edited the sandbox but I am unclear as to whether or not I can test it or find out if it is correct (as I have no clue about how the functions work). Could you please take a look on the sandbox page and check it for me?
Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 22:12, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
You can test it by just using {{page tabs/sandbox}} instead of {{page tabs}}. But the proposed code looks good, so I went ahead and did it. Anomie⚔ 22:55, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I was using my sandbox5 page, and the tl sandbox, but got into difficulties with making it work.
I have got as far as adding the extra curly brackets, User:Chaosdruid/sandbox5, but is there possibly a limitation to the amount of nested functions? I cannot seem to get it to register the last three when testing on the Special:ExpandTemplates page.
Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 22:12, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
OK, that is weird - It works! but not on the special test page, ah well, thanks for the help :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 23:04, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

User script listing cleanup project

I'm leaving this message for known script authors, recent contributors to Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts, and those who've shown interest in user scripts.

This scripts listing page is in dire need of cleanup. To facilitate this, I've created a new draft listing at Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts cleanup. You're invited to list scripts you know to be currently working and relevant. Eventually this draft page can replace the current scripts listing.

If you'd like to comment or collaborate on this proposal, see the discussion I started here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject User scripts#Scripts listing cleanup project. Thanks! Equazcion (talk) 04:46, 25 Mar 2012 (UTC)

Alpha Phi

Care to put the protection back? Less than a day from the expiration to another deletion....Naraht (talk) 16:49, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I think that would be a good idea. Anomie⚔ 17:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry if that came off as sarcastic. The odd thing is I'd like to see the book in question (Pledged) knocked out as a Reliable Source, I own a copy. *ugh* However at this point, that's not the situation.Naraht (talk) 18:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Not at all, although I personally have a hard time recognizing sarcasm anyway. I really couldn't care less whether the article contains the "secret" motto or not, as long as it's removed for good reason and not because members of the group want it to be "secret". I'm only involved in it at all because someone put an {{editprotected}} on the talk page at some point. Right now I just have it semi-protected; I'll watch the article to see if anyone figures out that they could continue the war by getting autoconfirmed. Anomie⚔ 20:35, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Infobox ukcave merger completed

I noticed that you were the admin who closed the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 November 22#Template:Infobox ukcave. I finished rewriting {{Infobox cave}} with the needed parameters and migrated all the articles that transcluded {{Infobox ukcave}}. I don't think another discussion is needed to delete {{Infobox cave}}, but I'm not sure what to do. Could you take care of it? –droll [chat] 22:11, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

For the moment, just redirect it. I don't know whether there is any useful history to justify keeping ukcave around or not, nor whether it is at all useful as a redirect. WP:RFD might be the best venue for determining that. Anomie⚔ 23:13, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I went with your redirect idea. If it needs to be deleted someone will get around to it. Thanks. –droll [chat]

MeditationBot

Aha, gotcha. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 18:52, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution survey

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Dispute Resolution – Survey Invite

Hello Anomie. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released.

Please click HERE to participate.
Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts.

You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated research page. Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 02:00, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

Bubble Tea.png . Monocletophat123 (talk) 17:12, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

U-8047 TRUST

When I origionaly wrote this artical it was complete and acurate. Unfortunatly many people editid it down and down and because of lack of citations. If you would alow our web site to be used for citations see www.u-boat.co.uk it would be easy to change the artical back to it's former glory. Sory if speling bad, I have learning dificultyUboater (talk) 08:50, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar

Goldenwiki 2.png Golden Wiki Award
For implementing great ideas. Bgwhite (talk) 05:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, but it wasn't my idea. Headbomb suggested it at Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 47#Bot to tag previously-deleted articles that were recreated., I just implemented it. Anomie⚔ 16:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, thank you for coding up the great ideas and for being humble crazy. Bgwhite (talk) 05:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Anomie⚔ 13:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Abuse Filter on the Article Feedback Tool

Hey there :). You're being contacted because you're an edit filter manager, At the moment, we're developing Version 5 of the Article Feedback Tool, which you may or may not have heard about. If you haven't; for the first time, this will involve a free-text box where readers can submit comments :). Obviously, there's going to be junk, and we want to minimise that junk. To do so, we're working the Abuse Filter into the tool.

For this to work, we need people to write and maintain filters. I'd be very grateful if you could take a look at the discussion here and the attached docs, and comment and contribute! Thanks :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 18:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Template or markup for scansion?

Hello, Anomie. User:It Is Me Here recommended you to me, though I fear you may be overqualified. Because of this discussion I've begun thinking about how verse scansion on Wikipedia might be improved. One possibility is implementing the scansion within a template or markup. (This has to do with requiring monospace, but <tt></tt> seemingly not working properly with line-initial spaces, plus an aesthetic dislike by some for the gray-box formatting.) My sense is that the line-initial-space style (as I used in the discussion) may well be the easiest and best method, but I don't want to ignore other possibilities (and maybe there are others existing that I'm not aware of). If you care to, you can see a few formatting failures at User:Phil wink/sandbox3#Scansion line tests. Might you (or someone you know) be willing to discuss pros, cons, abilities, limitations of templates/markup with me in the future? This is certainly not in a "work order" phase yet... just spitballing. Thanks much. Phil wink (talk) 01:42, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, if it's just a matter of the default styling, you could just use a <pre> with appropriate styles to override the normal grey box: <pre style="border:none;background-color:transparent">
  ×  /    ×  /    ×   /     ×  /      ×    /
When I | consid | er how | my light | is spent
Although it would be better to get the appropriate styles added to MediaWiki:Common.css so just something like <pre > could be used. Anomie⚔ 02:16, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
That's what I'm talking about! I gotta ask smart people questions more often. Thanks! Phil wink (talk) 02:39, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Oops... Is there a way I can selectively accommodate markup in pre (a no-nowiki!)? This is a virtue of line-initial space formatting that I've just lost...
  ×  /    ×  /    ×   /     ×  /      ×    /
When I | consid | er how | my light | is spent <ref> Milton: ''On His Blindness'' 1</ref>
Thanks. Phil wink (talk) 03:19, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Well, you could use {{#tag:pre}}:
  ×  /    ×  /    ×   /     ×  /      ×    /
When I | consid | er how | my light | is spent
Although then you have to use alternative markup such as {{!}} or &#x7c; for "|", which breaks the alignment in the edit box. Anomie⚔ 02:19, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
What about <poem>? Its purpose is to retain lineation and line-initial spaces, it keeps the ref, and with "style" it can be made to indent and monospace:

  × / × / × / × / × /
When I | consid | er how | my light | is spent

The only problem is that it still eliminates line-interior spaces (which you can see ruins the first line). I think that's a bit strange. I can think of (though it pains me) some modernist poems which actually require interior spaces. Maybe you know of some addition style element that could resolve this, or just possibly the actual function of <poem> could be tweaked? Phil wink (talk) 03:24, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
white-space:pre would be the style element needed to make multiple spaces show up, if they were output in the first place. The problem with <poem> and most other tags is that HTML Tidy that is used to clean up the page output will collapse all whitespace to a single space (except in <pre> tags), so the browser never sees it. Anomie⚔ 16:02, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
OK, I don't know yet if I'll make a formal request, but I think you've helped me get to the core issues. I'd be very grateful if you'd take a look here to see if you agree I've caught the germane details, and if not, set me straight (feel free to make any necessary clarifications there, even though it's my page). And... would you have any interest in pursuing either of these paths? Thanks again for all your help! Phil wink (talk) 17:47, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Looks like a good summary to me. Anomie⚔ 17:55, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I'm sorry to keep bugging you, but I seem to be at a dead end. I've posted notes on my proposed new markup at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Scansion markup, to no avail. I take it this is the wrong venue. Do you know where I should present this proposal? Thanks. Phil wink (talk) 02:44, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Sometimes it's hard to get anyone to care enough to comment on a proposal, especially for something as esoteric as this. I'm not sure where else you could go, though, as I'd guess you already posted at the relevant WikiProjects as well. Anomie⚔ 02:55, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Alright. Thanks again for your help. Phil wink (talk) 03:22, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Have commented a little bit at the Village Pump (technical). Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation Engineering Community Manager 08:01, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Request

Hi, please don't reinsert this link to Goa Inquisition. It belongs to a Hindu fundamentalist website. The article is purported to have been authored by historian Teotonio de Souza. However, the fellow has clarified on his blog that it's a hoax and he is not its author. Refer [7]. Thanks. Joyson Prabhu Holla at me! 17:57, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

You are very confused. I did not do anything there; my bot, AnomieBOT, did. The problem there is that you successively removed only one of the several instances of the "vgweb.org" source from the article, each time leaving a big red error in the article (e.g. [8]). All the bot did was fix the error by copying the text of the reference to one of the remaining "vgweb.org" reference tags. Next time, make sure you remove all instances of the reference rather than just the one containing the actual text of the reference and you won't have this problem. Anomie⚔ 18:09, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Sorry and thanks for clarifying that! Joyson Prabhu Holla at me! 19:32, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Infobox road

Thanks for applying the change. Can you do me a favor at the template though? The intent was for the restrictions to appear after tourist routes, and I goofed on what number the label and data should be. Can you condense the numbering in there a little? Here's the code:

|label9= Existed:
|data9= {{#if:{{{established|}}}{{{formed|}}}|{{{established|}}}{{{formed|}}} – {{#if:{{{decommissioned|}}}{{{deleted|}}}|{{{decommissioned|}}}{{{deleted|}}}|present}}|}}
|label10= History:
|data10= {{{history|}}}
|label12 = Time period:
|data12  = {{{time_period|}}}
|label13= Cultural<br>significance:
|data13= {{#if:{{{time_period|}}}|{{{significance|}}}|}}
|label14= Related<br>routes:
|data14 = {{#if:{{{time_period|}}}|{{{related|}}}|}}
|label16= Tourist<br>routes:
|data16= {{#if:{{{tourist|}}}|{{#ifeq:{{Infobox road/hide/tourist|{{{state|}}}{{{province|}}}|{{{country|}}}}}|no|{{{tourist|}}}|}}|}}
|label17 = Restrictions:
|data17  = {{{restrictions|}}}
|label19 = Allocation:
|data19  = {{#ifeq:{{{country|}}}|AUS|{{{allocation|}}}}}

And then drop out

|label8 = Restrictions:
|data8  = {{{restrictions|}}}

Thanks! Imzadi 1979 → 05:25, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Went ahead and did it, hope you don't mind. --Rschen7754 07:02, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't mind, thanks. Anomie⚔ 14:12, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

JS & css code for highlighting watchlist and page historys

I copied your code for these to give that pale blue shading. Great - much better than bold, green stars etc. Thanks. NtheP (talk) 13:23, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Glad you like it! Anomie⚔ 16:37, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Changing user

hello my friend. the code python of changing user is very cool. Can I request give me this python code? if you want plz email(assianss@gmail.com) me. i want translate this code and use in fawiki/Mahdi.hajiha (talk) 16:35, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about. I've coded next to nothing in Python. Anomie⚔ 16:37, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm talking aboutthis edit. is not the pywikipedia code? something file example.py?:)/Mahdi.hajiha (talk) 17:50, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
No, the code for that is at User:AnomieBOT/source/tasks/CHUUClerk.pm and is written in Perl using my own bot library (which is all published at User:AnomieBOT/source). The code is released under the GPL and/or the Artistic License, and since it's published on Wikipedia it is also available under the CC-BY-SA-3.0 License and the GFDL. Anomie⚔ 18:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
is great.:) but one question. when i want run this code what i am do? meaning in toolserver or my pc? i save is example.pl?its work with commons arguments python?/can i ask you the source of the code work in(bot:Requests for approval) thanks/Mahdi.hajiha (talk) 18:49, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
If you wanted to run exactly this code, you'd have to have Perl and the correct Perl modules installed, then copy conf.sample.ini to conf.ini and fill in the important bits (particularly the username and password, and create a configuration section for "[bot 2]"), delete everything except CHUUClerk.pm from the "tasks" directory, and then execute ./bot.pl tasks from the top source directory to start the bot. But running code you don't understand is often not a good idea. Anomie⚔ 20:07, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
i'm download this. im need this? sorry bot where am i create this file(conf.sample.ini) or tasks? and where im run ./bot.pl tasks . thanks alot/Mahdi.hajiha (talk) 06:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

More guideline clarification

Hi Anomie, I'd appreciate you taking another look at Talk:Zeitgeist: The Movie#Zeitgeist: Final Edition if you have the time. Arthur seems to have completely misunderstood the guidelines, or is willfully misinterpreting them. To be perfectly honest I'm beginning to get annoyed with him and I'm on the verge of loosing my objectivity (behaviour not becoming of a good Wikipedian, I know *blushes*). And, of course, I may be wrong. Perish the thought! ;-) Kind regards, nagualdesign (talk) 07:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Maintain patience! It is sadly the case that sometimes someone will have a personal problem with an article or part of an article, and will attempt to misapply Wikipedia's policies and guidelines to have it removed (and there are also times when someone will do the same to keep some bit of information). I'm glad to see Equazcion waded in there, as I'm really not all that good at dealing with that sort of thing. Anomie⚔ 10:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Yes, Equazcion seems to have hit the nail on the head by referring to WP:ABOUTSELF, and you've hit the nail on the head by saying, "Maintain patience!" :-P You're right, of course. I decided to take some time out to cool off a bit, and perhaps let Arthur digest the information. I have good instincts though, and my best guess would be that he's a 'good Christian' who feels that he's doing the right thing, in which case he's unlikely to listen to reason. Zeitgeist: The Movie is an assault on Christianity, you see. Take care. nagualdesign (talk) 10:47, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Gang of Eight (Soviet Union)

Rename

Rename in State Committee on the State of Emergency . Violation. The distortion of facts, neutrality. No need to confuse Constitution USSR and United States. In the Soviet Union under the Constitution, article 6 ruled by one party. The KGB has authority to arrest any Government leader and the President USSR CPI-RUS (talk) 16:04, 15 Mai 2012 (UTC)
I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you are very confused. You might have better luck contacting one of the users listed at this link for help. Anomie⚔ 13:10, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Anomie/revdel-checkboxes

Hi, it looks like (some of) your user script will become part of the MW software with version 1.20 wmf3, to be implemented in a week or so I think, so you may wish to take a look in case you need/want to do anything. It Is Me Here t / c 23:22, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

It looks like the changes to MediaWiki are enough that the part of the script that adds the checkboxes to the log lines will silently fail, while the other part of the script will keep working fine. You will lose the ability to revdel in the log snippets (e.g. when editing protected pages), because MediaWiki does the checkboxes itself but doesn't do the del/undel button. Anomie⚔ 01:28, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Questions from MSGJ

Hi Anomie! Could I have your opinion of the following ideas?

  • When dating maintenance templates, include not only the month+year but also the day of the month. With a little magic in {{ambox}} this needn't affect the category system, but it may be helpful in cases when editors are trying to track down who added a particular tag.
  • Bypassing template redirects when adding dates. One of the things HPB used to do, and although I guess there was never explicit approval for it, I don't think there was ever a complaint about this particular type of change. I understand that you have wisely avoided this issue, but might it be worth exploring whether there is consensus to do this?

Best — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:46, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Opinions:
  • It would be possible, but then we get into issues with MDY versus DMY date order (not that the template would care). I'm not sure it's worth the hassle. Personally, I find Wikiblame (or actually, my own wikiblame-like tool) more useful for finding stuff in the revision history, and we have it linked from the header of every history page.
  • Not interested. There are already enough people who get confused when {{cn}} changes to {{cn|date=May 2012}}, more will get confused when it changes to {{citation needed|date=May 2012}}. And really, I just don't see the point of it. Also, I personally find WP:AWB/TR is often abused (templates are only supposed to be added after consensus, not on the whim of an editor) and I'd rather have no part of it, much less a part of bypassing all maintenance template redirects.
HTH. Anomie⚔ 23:59, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

The point

I'm not sure if you read through them in their entirety, but the point of my comments at VPT were that there appears to be a problem, and the problem I sought to address was not the same one I've brought up before regarding developer behavior. The problem is evidenced in people's reactions and the reverts that must ensue afterwards. We won't change that by poking fun at their reactions nor by telling them they should be reacting differently (that hasn't worked yet, anyway), so it would make sense to say that something else needs to be done instead. I don't know if you program as a hobby or by profession, but if it's the latter, you could be used to the benefit of management telling people that software changes are beneficial and they're going to need to get used to them one way or the other. There is no such structure here. You're frustrated at a problem that will continue as long as our only solution is to lash out. Equazcion (talk) 18:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


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