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This page in a nutshell: "Liar Liar Pants on Fire" is not a valid argument in AfD discussions (or anywhere else, for that matter).

Calling editors liars

Note anyway that most Wikipedians cannot be liars, as they wouldn't fit in front of their telescreens.

Example:

Keep Evidence supports that the subject is notable. Keeper 4:01, 4 April 2004 (UTC)
Delete You're just making that up! LiarLiar 04:15, 4 April 2004 (UTC)
Delete I don't think these sources are reliable or substantial. SourceSkeptic 04:51, 4 April 2004 (UTC)
Keep Actually they're more than enough by any honest interpretation of notability. BeHonest 05:03, 4 April 2004 (UTC)

Simply calling another editor a "liar" (which is a personal attack) or even stating that the editor is incorrect is not a reason to keep or delete any article on Wikipedia. If the editor is incorrectly quoting, mis-applying information, mis-interpreting data, or otherwise simply mis-informed, a useful response would be to provide a reference to the correct information.

If an editor makes a statement and holds it out as a fact without proper sourcing, it is more than fair to ask for sources. At the same time, it is best to always assume good faith among your fellow editors.

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Philosophy	Articles must be written Be a reliable source Cohesion Concede lost arguments 8 simple rules for editing our encyclopedia Explanationism Here to build an encyclopedia Paradoxes Product, process, policy Purpose The role of policies in collaborative anarchy Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia Trifecta Wikipedia in brief Wikipedia is an encyclopedia Avoid vague introductions

Inclusion	Alternative outlets Articles with a single source Avoid template creep Bare notability Bombardment But it's true! Citation overkill Clones Coatrack Discriminate vs indiscriminate information Every snowflake is unique Existence ≠ Notability Explanationism Google searches and numbers High Schools Inaccuracy Inclusion is not an indicator of notability Independent sources Inherent notability Insignificant Masking the lack of notability Make stubs No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability No big loss No one cares about your garage band No one really cares Notability/Historical/Arguments Notability is not a matter of opinion Notability means impact Obscurity ≠ Lack of notability Offline sources Notability sub-pages One sentence does not an article make Other stuff exists Perennial websites Pokémon test Run-of-the-mill Solutions are mixtures and nothing else Subjective importance Third-party sources Trivial mentions cannot verify notability Video links What notability is not Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause

Construction	100K featured articles A navbox on every page Alternatives to the "Expand" template Amnesia test An unfinished house is a real problem Avoid mission statements Bare URLs Be neutral in form Beef up that first revision Concept cloud Don't demolish the house while it's still being built Don't hope the house will build itself Don't leave giant breaks between sections Don't panic Editing on iPhones, iPads, etc. Editors are not mindreaders Featured articles may have problems Give an article a chance How to run an edit-a-thon Inaccuracies in Wikipedia namespace Link rot Not everything needs a navbox Not everything needs a WikiProject Nothing is in stone Over explained Permastub Potential, not just current state Put a little effort into it Pruning article revisions Restoring part of a reverted edit Robotic editing Temporary versions of articles The world will not end tomorrow There is a deadline There is no deadline Wikipedia is a volunteer service Wikipedia is a work in progress Wikipedia is not being written in an organized fashion Write the article first Writing better articles

Deletion	Adjectives in your recommendations AfD is not a war zone Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions Arguments to avoid in deletion reviews Arguments to avoid in image deletion discussions Arguments to make in deletion discussions Avoid repeated arguments Before commenting in a deletion discussion But there must be sources! Content removal Delete the junk Does deletion help Don't overuse shortcuts to policy and guidelines to win your argument Follow the leader How to save an article proposed for deletion I just don't like it Immunity Liar Liar Pants on Fire Nothing Overzealous deletion Relisting can be abusive Wikipedia is not Whack-A-Mole Why was my page deleted? What to do if your article gets tagged for speedy deletion

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